already, we have seen thousands of refugees fleeing to jordan, lebanon, turkey, iraq. she hottest elements are coming in across the border -- jihadist elements are coming in across the border. >> do you think the only solution is for assad to go? >> there is no doubt that you cannot kill that many people and stay in power, but that is not a solution. that is may be part of the solution. what happens when he goes? we need to make sure that the security forces -- that they do not get into a chaotic collapse. >> do you think, with hindsight, when you took up the role for syria, you should have been less even-handed from the beginning and should have said right from the get go, "bashar al assad, you have to leave"? >>no, that is not a negotiator. i was brought in to try to bring the parties to the table. even the big powers have not been able to do that. for the mediator to walk in and think you can do that, you would be crazy. >> kofi annan, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> it was called africa the mostand was one of bizarre and successful music events of the summer.